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Jul. 17th, 2008 @ 10:20 pm Remember when all you had to give me was a flower?
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From:falafel_musings
Date:July 18th, 2008 01:54 pm (UTC)

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I really enjoyed this ep. One of my S1 favs. This is why Sun was in my top five favourites in the early days. She has never been more compelling. I love that despite all the hardships and strains in her relationship with Jin, they always loved each other. The moment with the flower (pictured above) was very touching.

I think this episode starts to reveal that even though Jin looks like the meaner spouse at the beginning, Jin is really the more innocent of the two of them. Sun is incredibly sly and deceptive. She's quiet and deadly. But she has a heart too. Yunjin shines here as always.

Aww. Charlie stepped on a bee hive. Silly Charlie. "It wouldn't be an irrational fear of bees if I could just pull myself together, now would it!" Oh, the snark was good in this ep. I still love The Great White Hunter nickname for Locke.

Speaking of which, I love the Charlie/Locke scenes in this episode and the next one. Oh Locke. You used to be so cool. I seriously miss the generous Locke of S1. He believed in tough love for sure, but at least he cared about other people. I love the expressions on Charlie's face, first when Locke tells him he was a Driveshift fan (priceless!) and then when he sees his guitar again and he tears up.

I think this group split between Cave Camp and Beach Camp was much more compelling than the S4 split. It showed which characters were being drawn into the island and which characters were still very wary of the island. The final montage to 'Are you sure this is where you want to be?' was the perfect way to highlight this mood. Interesting that Jack and Locke are on the same team this time.

Adam and Eve? The black and white stones? Add those two to the very large pile by the 4-toed statue of weird shit that was introduced and then never even referred to again. If Lost gets into a time loop then I think Adam and Eve will turn out to be Jack and Kate.
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From:matitablu
Date:July 18th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)

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I think this group split between Cave Camp and Beach Camp was much more compelling than the S4 split. It showed which characters were being drawn into the island and which characters were still very wary of the island. The final montage to 'Are you sure this is where you want to be?' was the perfect way to highlight this mood. Interesting that Jack and Locke are on the same team this time.

This is very spot on! Especially regarding Jack. The fact that he's actually settling in the island vs. him being crazy about going away in S4, highlights how often what Jack wants isn't what Jack needs :-)

I believe the Adam and Eve thing has been addressed more than once by the authors as one of those things that will actually get an explanation in the very end, so I'm pretty confident about that one. The four-toed statue... not as much. :-(((((((((((
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From:luna481516
Date:July 18th, 2008 04:46 pm (UTC)

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These early episodes are just the best, aren't they? We meet everyone's background for the first time. HOTRS is a favorite of mine for the island action and not so much for the flashbacks, as it still branded Sun & Jin in the traditional mold although showing that Jin was a hitman or strongman or something. The flower at the airport was sweet and hopeful though.

I think this episode starts to reveal that even though Jin looks like the meaner spouse at the beginning, Jin is really the more innocent of the two of them. Sun is incredibly sly and deceptive. She's quiet and deadly. But she has a heart too. Yunjin shines here as always. It's only much later that we see the O.Henry-type irony that Sun herself put Jin in the position that creates her distaste for him in the fb's.

Oh Locke. You used to be so cool. I seriously miss the generous Locke of S1. Word. He was a great guru and mentor before his obsession with the island took over his good sense. "Look up", and Charlie's reaction, reminded me of Desmond's "you have to lift it up" to Jack in the stadium - both could be interpreted as religious and both Charlie and Jack misinterpreted what was meant; whether it was literal or spiritual.

I think this group split between Cave Camp and Beach Camp was much more compelling than the S4 split. It showed which characters were being drawn into the island and which characters were still very wary of the island. Oh, that's an interesting way to explain the divide (although at the caves Jack was being pragmatic and the others seemed interested in comfort and safety - Hurley, I don't think, was being drawn to the island) I never understood the big to-do about Caves vs. Beach. Why not just agree and plan to have those who want the cool fresh water go to the caves and those who will keep the signal fire burning stay on the beach? No philosophical arguments needed. If they see a boat, they can send a messenger to the caves, no? Makes about as much sense as 40 people not being able to swim.

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From:falafel_musings
Date:July 18th, 2008 06:52 pm (UTC)

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Oh, that's an interesting way to explain the divide (although at the caves Jack was being pragmatic and the others seemed interested in comfort and safety - Hurley, I don't think, was being drawn to the island)

Hmn. I phrased that badly. For me, the striking thing about the closing montage was that the cave gang looked more relaxed and comfortable (Hurley listening to his walkman, Charlie playing guitar, Sun trying on dresses) while the beach gang are mostly sitting hunched around the signal fire with very grim expressions. It's ironic because Sawyer brands the cave gang as the pessimists, but it's the beach gang that look more gloomy. Maybe comfort is the dividing factor. Claire and Mike/Walt moved to the caves later after they started to feel more comfortable, where as Charlie moved back to the beach after Ethan tried to kill him and he became more wary. Later in the season it's unclear who's living where then after the S2 premiere the caves were never seen again (sigh...I miss the caves).

I never understood the big to-do about Caves vs. Beach.

Right. It made sense to have two camps. The people on the beach needed to keep the fire going. The people at the caves needed to bring water. It was a good system.
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From:pacejunkie
Date:July 18th, 2008 06:58 pm (UTC)

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"Look up", and Charlie's reaction, reminded me of Desmond's "you have to lift it up" to Jack in the stadium - both could be interpreted as religious and both Charlie and Jack misinterpreted what was meant; whether it was literal or spiritual.

And of course "Look up" reminds me of Eko's "Lift up your eyes and look north, John 3:05"

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From:luna481516
Date:July 18th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)

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And of course "Look up" reminds me of Eko's "Lift up your eyes and look north, John 3:05"

Ah yes. The inscription that was there all along but that Locke only noticed, dun dun dun, at the end of an episode *cue Lost gong*.