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1x09 Discussion

Gah! *is braindead* Many apologies for lateness of post...

Woohoo, golf course! And Danielle!

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This week's question: which story is sadder, Rousseau's or Sayid's flashback?
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From:pacejunkie
Date:August 8th, 2008 03:22 am (UTC)

spoilers for S4

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Definitely Rousseau's, without question. Nearly everything that happened to her was not of her making, she was much more a victim than Sayid. In fact, I thought it was awfully prophetic and interesting the way Sayid told Rousseau that Nadia was dead because of him. Interesting unintentional foreshadowing. This was always a major inconsistency of this episode though, because here he acts as though he believes very much that she is dead and is only holding onto a fool's hope that she might have escaped, but we see in his next flashback he has that when he was in Sydney he was told by government agents that she was alive and in California. He was shown a photo as proof and they mentioned that he had been looking for her. He was likely flying to Los Angeles to see her after having done them a favour for the information. So why would he tell Rousseau that he still believes she is dead, other than the obvious answer that it was a total retcon? I think they didn't write his story until after and were stuck with what they had done.

So we still are left to speculate about this sickness, and wonder whether Danielle's team fell to the same time disease that spread through the freighter. I guess it struck them when they were drawn to the island off the proper bearing and then it slowly made them crazy like Minkowski. They must have all been exposed to something that caused them to become unstuck, and I'm guessing Danielle's pregnancy somehow caused her to be immune. So while pregnancy kills women who conceive on the island, it protects them if they arrive pregnant, or maybe she wasn't exposed to the same radiation the others were because of her pregnancy. I'm guessing the whole time anomaly thing is what explains these things.

Loved the Island Open. Love Hurley. "Things could be worse." "How?" And our first look at Ethan, the friendly fellow survivor who knows how to hunt. Hmm...seems nice enough. Oh, and Charlie. "You didn't know about the polar bear?" Heh. I wish we had gotten more scenes of Charlie and Claire happy in the caves before disaster struck. Claire wasn't even in this one, and the next time you see her, she wakes up screaming. The good times with PB&J seem like they're over already, and way way too soon. Claire's never the same again after next week, but I'm getting ahead.
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From:falafel_musings
Date:August 8th, 2008 09:09 am (UTC)

spoilerish...

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This was the first Lost episode that I LOVED. Definitely. Before I was just intrigued and entertained by Lost but after this I was completely hooked. God help me.

I loved Sayid in S1. I think these days they prefer to write Sayid as a badass and give him lots of "cool" fight scenes. But I loved that in S1 Sayid is portrayed as a guy who is born into violence, who loathes the violence within himself and will go on a lonely pilgrimage out of shame for commiting an act of torture. This aspect of Sayid has been dropped since then (S4 loves violence too much to let him repent) but I loved his wisedom and his soulful compassion in S1, especially in this episode.

The Sayid/Rousseau scenes are terrific. I love how we see Sayid intelligence to talk himself out of a sticky situation. But I also loved his genuine compassion for his captor. The music box scene was a very sweet moment. I always wish there had been more of the Sayid/Danielle relationship.

There was a LOT of interesting stuff introduced in this episode - the Others, the Whispers, the Sickness (err, what happened to that?), the Cable which leds to the Looking Glass station, so we see our first hint of Dharma here. It's really the first mythology episode.

Oh and Hurley's golf tournament was just wonderful. It's the best light hearted subplot they've ever done. I think they have often tried to recapture the spirit of the golfing with other island games, like poker and ping pong. But nothing comes close to Hurley island open and the way it brought the whole camp together.

"Doctor playing golf. Boy howdy. What's next? Cop eating a donut?"

How I miss S1 Sawyer and his sly mouth.
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From:matitablu
Date:August 9th, 2008 09:58 pm (UTC)

Spoilers up to S3

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Well, Rousseau gets probably the Saddest Backstory Award here, although IMO it sort of lost its pahos as it got developed. Like, it was cool to find out that Alex was actually her daughter - but by that time, Rousseau herself didn't look that crazy/traumatized anymore. Idk, I just never really got hooked on her character - although I'd love to hear what actually happened when she got to the island, "sickness" and everything, as it would probably clarify a few things.

I think it's established that if you get on the island *already* pregnant, though, you're pretty much safe?

I also was sure that there was going to be something between Sayid and Danielle. Come on, there's lots of UST with him trapped there and her all "I've been alone for sixteen years" and yadda yadda XD Nevermind.

I *loved* the Looking Glass cable. I think that was my first real "WTF?" moment, even more than the polar bear. It was the physical proof of modern technology being - or having been - present on the island, after the radio signal.

Hurley is awesome with his golf course. Jack might be the leader, but Hurley is really the one who thinks about the Losties as a community, needing a morale boost.

Back to the central character - S1 Sayid was quite awesome, y/y? He was - and although more subtly, still is - the one who's more conscious about the moral consequences of his actions. He has this "it's a dirty job but somebody has to do it" attitude going on, but he also feels it still doesn't justify his actions. I also found it rather interesting on ABC's side to use an Iraqi soldier (although a reluctant one) as a positive, albeit tragic, hero in the show. It was 2004, after all, the year of Fallujah and Abu Grahib.